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Published by: webmaster 2009-01-08

  • I'm trying to find out about the United States Senate's procedures for voting and passing a certain type of bill. In the hypothetical situation that a bill allocating a certain amount of money to purchase land (such as the US purchase of Alaska for 7 million dollars in 1867), what is the process? I imagine the senate must ratify a treaty with whichever foreign power they're buying the land from. Can someone please illustrate the entire process? How is the actual vote carried out?


  • This is how a vote takes place in the Senate: First, the clerk will read off the names of the 100 senators in alphabetical order ("Mr. Adams, Mr. Atkinson, etc."), stopping after each one for an answer. If the senator is in the room, he will answer "Aye" or "Nay." The clerk will then repeat the name of the senator and say either "aye" or "nay." Usually, most senators are not in the chamber when the voting starts, so there is time allowed (around 15 minutes I think) for senators to show up after the clerk finishes the roll call. If a senator wants to vote after the roll call, he makes his intentions known by approaching the clerk's desk and raising his hand. The clerk then says the senator's name ("Mr. Smith"). The senator then can say "Aye" or "Nay" or give a thumbs up or down. The clerk repeats the senator's name and says "aye" or "nay," as in "Mr. Smith, nay." When they're done voting, the clerk will announce the total of ayes and nays and what the result means (for example, "the motion passes"). Like just about everything else in the Senate, voting procedure is long and boring.


  • I forgot to mention this interesting resource. It discusses the actual dimension of the area referred to in the 1867 Russia-US treaty. http://inform.sir.edu/news/2001/story2.htm (Scroll down to the english version, there is a passage on the history of Alaska about halfway down the whole page)


  • And as if this wasn't enough, I also forgot to mention my search strategy. Here it comes. Sorry about that. Google search on: "treaty making process" president ratification treaties usa +what +is agreement seward 1867 senate process alaska


  • Tremendous answer. Detailed, informative, and even (much to my surprise) enthusiastic! This was very helpful.


  • This link should answer all your questions : http://thomas.loc.gov/home/enactment/enactlawtoc.html is about law enactment in the senate. http://thomas.loc.gov/home/lawsmade.toc.html is about law enactment in the house. You can follow the life of bills which have been passed or are in the process of being passed at http://thomas.loc.gov/ Hope this helps. CP


  • Hi syrith-ga, thank you for asking this very interesting question. Especially the research on the acquisition of Alaska was a lot of fun and I came up with many interesting resources. In general, the process of purchasing land from a foreign power (such as Alaska from Russia in 1867) requires an agreement between the US on the one side and the other foreign country on the other. This is done by means of a treaty. According to the Vienna Convention On The Law of Treaties, said term is defined as follows: "An international agreement concluded between States in written form and governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation." [1] In the United States, authority to set up treaties comes from the Constitution. Article II, Section 2, Clause 2 states that the President "...…shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur." [2]. So an important power in the treaty making process is indeed the Senate as you already suspected. The overall process of treaty making can be subdivided into several steps [3]: - Negotiation between the parties - Signing (the act of signing does not necessarily bind the parties yet) - Ratification - Exchange of the instruments of ratification - Publication This site gives further valuable information on the nature of treaties [3]: "The treaty making power is vested solely with the federal government (U.S. Const. art. I, 10, cl. 1), and a treaty to which the U.S. is a party is considered the supreme law of the land. (U.S. Const. art. VI, cl. 2.). As supreme law of the land, treaties are binding on each state, and will supersede any inconsistent state legislation. Although the Constitution grants the President the power to enter into treaties, it does not explain what constitutes a treaty. Because the Constitution requires that both the President and Senate be involved in the treaty-making process, U.S. courts have developed a narrow definition of the term "treaty" - the generally accepted definition is any formal instrument which creates reciprocal rights and obligations between nation-states. It is now well settled under U.S. law that the term "treaty" applies only to those international agreements (including protocols, accords, pacts, etc.) entered into by the federal government which are ratified by the President after receiving the advice and consent of the Senate." Another form of international agreement would be a so-called "executive agreement": "However, the President can also enter the U.S. into certain types of international agreements, known as executive agreements. Treaties and U.S. executive agreements have the same effect in international law, but executive agreements inconsistent with a federal statute are not valid as against the statute. In the U.S., there are more executive agreements than "treaties" which have gone through the full, formal ratification process." [3] Ssince both terms -- agreement and treaty -- are used across various sources, I'm not quite sure whether the 1867 treaty should rather referred to as an agreement. However, the practical consequences seem to merely differ slightly between the two forms. Now let's apply what we have learned to the Alaska purchase: Negotiation and signing of the treaty took place between Secretary of State William H. Seward and Baron Edouard Stoeckl, the Russian Minister to the United States. Since the acquisition of Alaska was not a very popular move at that time -- it was then referred to as "Seward's folly", Alaska itself as "Seward's icebox" -- he had a hard time convincing the senate of the actual need of this treaty: it passed by just one vote. The full text treaty can be accessed here: http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/russia/treatywi.htm However, it should take 92 more years until Alaska finally and officially became the 49th state of the Union. A very nice article on Alaska statehood can be found at this URL: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/BARTLETT/49state.html The facsimile of the admission of Alaska to the Union can also be accessed online: http://www.archives.gov/digital_classroom/lessons/alaska_migration/statehood.html Thanks again for such an interesting piece of question. I hope my answer was satisfactory to you. Have a good day, searchbot-ga Quotes/Sources: [1] http://www.fletcher.tufts.edu/multi/texts/BH538.txt [2] http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section2 [3] http://www.infoctr.edu/tutorial/international/About_Treaties.htm
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